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Miaubol
4th Jul 2018, 12:47 AM

So this just had to be made, the overview graphic summarizing the time traveling events. Should be pretty self-explanatory, but to add the details-


- Top image shows what has happened so far:
Time gate is activated, timeline splits into two, the "old timeline" from which the time traveler enters the gate, and the "new timeline" in which the time traveler appears in the past (the time point when the gate was activated). Then, in the new timeline, the time gate got re-activated and another timeline fork. The plan- Stop the doomsday disaster from happening, or, should everything go wrong once again, there's yet another chance in the next new timeline.


- Small image, bottom left:
Marked with blue- the storyline which the comic follows, starting with the activation of the gate, then we follow the new timeline (future ship appears), and finally, after the re-activation, the top timeline where no future ship appears and the time gate remains active.


- Small images, bottom right:

In red- What does *not* happen:
The time traveler enters the same timeline from which he left in the future. Such a loop would have led to paradoxes of either the "grandpa" type (time traveler hinders the time travel, by for instance killing his own grandfather), or of the "bootstrap" type (circular causality as in "lifting up oneself by pulling their boots straps", the time traveler, by traveling to the past, makes the time travel possible.

In green- What does happen:
The timeline splits into two, whatever enters the time gate in the old timeline is then gone there, never to come back, and then appears in the new timeline. The only effect this has on the old timeline is that these items are forever gone, but everything else remains unaffected (which unfortunately means in this particular case, the doomsday cannot be fixed in this timeline, the tragedy is and remains real). In the new timeline, all the items may exist twice, the versions which already existed in this timeline, plus the versions which came from the future/old timeline.

There are no loops, circular causalities or paradoxes. For the time traveler, the future in the old timeline happened before the past in the new timeline, all causality remains linear and unidirectional.


These graphics also show that the time traveling device must be built *before* we can receive any guests from the future, which explains why we haven't seen any yet ;)



tl;dr
The timeline splits into two; the time traveler goes from the future in the old timeline back to the past in the new timeline.

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jackbauer
4th Jul 2018, 2:59 AM

Wow! Awesome! You thought about time travel more than I did for my last time travel comic. xD

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Miaubol
9th Jul 2018, 12:29 AM

Thanks :D
Yes, I put a lot of thought into this before starting the comic, in order to keep everything consistent and non-paradoxy.

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Sovember
4th Jul 2018, 3:56 AM

Love how you have consistent logic to your time traveling and I can use this flr future reference :))

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Miaubol
9th Jul 2018, 12:30 AM

I just hate the timey-wimey ball ;)

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Jason Moon
4th Jul 2018, 5:21 AM

Wild page man. Very cool

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Miaubol
9th Jul 2018, 12:31 AM

Thanks a lot :D

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Asmanel
4th Jul 2018, 2:50 PM

Ok,travel back to the past fork the time.

What about an "efficient" way to predict the future (an other thing seen in this webcomic) or the travel from a time line to an other one (maybe impossible in this universe) ?

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Miaubol
9th Jul 2018, 12:34 AM

Yes, they tried effective predicting with Pete. tried D:

You can travel back to the past and warn them about the future, this is what the time traveler did, just unfortunately he didn't have much knowledge about what actually happened.

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Seabiscuit
4th Jul 2018, 4:53 PM

Ohhh, now this is cool, too.
Gosh, time travel. It makes my brain itch.:D

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Miaubol
9th Jul 2018, 12:37 AM

:))
Last week- space. This week- time.

Yes, time travel can be pretty itchy and turn the brain into knots, I hope this graphic can be helpful for un-itching and un-knotting.

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Amalockh1
4th Jul 2018, 5:38 PM

I think time trivel must be one of the most fascinating concepts from science fiction...And also one of the most confusing ones...

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Miaubol
9th Jul 2018, 12:41 AM

Oh yes.

I guess many people hate time travel when it's poorly explained or inconsistent. Confusing as in a riddle is fine -what did actually happen- when there's a solution which makes sense. Confusing as in just random is just a pain.

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dubiz senju
4th Jul 2018, 6:29 PM

Now I'm really awed. This is a great idea, I didn't think explaining all that has happened so far in a single page with simple diagrams was possible. I can pick a thing or two from this concept if you don't mind

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Miaubol
9th Jul 2018, 12:52 AM

Yes, it did require some work to get all this put together, and I realized it was better to drop the technobabble physics behind it ;)

Feel free to use, I picked most things from somewhere else myself too, it's all already there :)) Tv Tropes has a list of time travel types, "mine" is pretty much point 8. The time gate idea is inspired by the traversable wormholes concept (just with quite a different technology), the essential point that you can't go further back in time than to the creation of it.

My own ideas lie in details how the time gate really functions, the underlying logic, and which I intend to post at some point. But that's not really necessary to know about in order to tell a story with this kind of time travel.

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Dera Nuel
5th Jul 2018, 12:39 AM

Explaining stuff in this manner is really dope. Time travel stories are among my favorites.

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Miaubol
9th Jul 2018, 12:56 AM

Thanks. Yes I have a soft spot for this kind of stuff :D

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dougwarner59
5th Jul 2018, 3:08 AM

I wish I had that chart the last time I time traveled; maybe I wouldn't have got lost.

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Miaubol
9th Jul 2018, 12:59 AM

I'm so sorry to hear that, considering it's impossible to get back to where you come from.

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ChilPhil
5th Jul 2018, 3:31 PM

Whoa, I had not thought that much about the time travel details. It's great that you thought things through and shared it with the readers.

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Miaubol
9th Jul 2018, 1:02 AM

It was fun to think out, and it just had to get shared, because of the major geekiness, but also because- what-has-happened summaries- always good :))

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AugustaCaesar
7th Jul 2018, 5:36 AM

Shit, I at least better get a good grade on this, if I have to take notes! XD ;)

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Miaubol
9th Jul 2018, 1:03 AM

It looks more complicated than it actually is ;)

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AmeliaP
11th Jul 2018, 8:20 PM

""Timeline-fork and "doubles"", like multiverse theory, in each choice leading to another created path! I love it!
I agree with Jackbauer, the best time travel explanation I've ever seen in comics :D

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Miaubol
15th Jul 2018, 11:40 PM

The multiverse theory is my favorite when it comes to time travel. But only when those exist only in a limited number, otherwise it just gets too messy, or demotivating as in - well everything happens anyway, somewhere, so why care.

So I needed a plot device to explain why time travel cannot be done very often, as in - just once, maybe twice.

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